Dogs

[Zorro]

Does anyone have any idea how many dogs are registered at CC?

[Icarus]

Seems a reasonable idea to me considering all residents and domestic servants have to register so why not pets? Poppet's point re tracing errant owners seems valid.

I have someone below me who keeps their pet on the balcony most of the night and it barks incessantly. I can't see who it is and MO say they can't do anything because they have no record who keeps dogs.

Bit lame an excuse I know but we are all suffering (residents and distressed animal alike).

What could be the objection be to a dog register if responsible owners have nothing to hide?

[Jonathan]

This is something that has been on the agenda for a long time, but its hard to get MO to do the work, and harder to enforce.  What do you do if someone does not register their dog?  under the DMC they have a right to keep dogs, and so we can't evict them for not registering.

I understand there are about 500 dogs in CC.  Not what I signed up for when I moved in, I can tell you.  And when the dog park across the road is finished it will attract even more.

There was a meeting with the head property manager from MTR a few days ago.  We raised the dog issue, among others, and he was very sympathetic, and ordered the MO managers at Caribbean Coast to come up with a plan to deal with the issue within one month.  We are waiting....

Jonathan

[CalumFerguson]

As a dog owner, I am just so sick to death of all of your self righteous blathering about dogs. I have 2 dogs - a pug (7) and a boxer (3) (who still has his tail i might add). We came to hong kong from australia last year, and decided to live in Tung Chung Caribbean Coast. We muzzle our boxer and he has a small 2 meter leather lead. Our pug walks on a 3 meter extendable lead.

Our dogs don't bark, we always pick up our crap, put it in a bag etc. We deal with the hideous looks we get from people like you. We get told to put a muzzle on a PUG because of people like you. PUGS DONT HAVE A BODY TO PUT A MUZZLE ON MORONS. To us, these dogs are our children. They dont bite (unless playing with me and tug of war, never draw blood either), they love to play, run, they have personalities which I would wager are much more friendly and understanding than yours.

They are better behaved than most of the children here, who run around, screaming, riding bikes etc. If you want us to register dogs, thats fine - we did that in aus, we wore collars.

But heres a thought - my dogs wont grow up into bullies, they wont grow up into snivelling little tossers who complain about everything, and then brush all of one group with the same brush.

I understand that there are a few bad apples here - we have complained about them as well. But you lot are just vindictive little tossers who I would cross the road to avoid.

[CalumFerguson]

Oh - I forgot to mention - you'll be down 2 dogs in about 4 weeks as we have got sick of the looks, the complaints for no f**king reason, other than we have 2 dogs - it almost like we are being discriminated against.

We have decided for many reasons to head back to Australia. I suggest than none of you self righteous, I'm better than you, snooty, snivelling tossers ever head to NZ, AUS, UK or USA. Dogs don't need to wear muzzles, they provide open spaces for dogs and people alike, and have rules that dont change (as they have here) because of idiots who dont know anything about owning an animal.

I can't wait to get out of here - people like you have made my life a misery. In the letter to my landlord we are expressing why we are leaving in no uncertain terms. Perhaps management can explain to her why she does not have a tenant and the next tenant will be paying considerably less than what we are due to current econmic factors. Well Done To you!! Now, you only have to get rid of another 498 animals, you ignorant bigots.

Yes, I am DAMN angry - i hate being judged because of something i have. You are passing judgement on something that is part of my family who I whole heartedly love and adore and I would defend with every breath in my body. If you see me out and about with my dogs - brown boxer (with tail) and pug (well, look it up), come up to me and let me introduce you to my dogs. The worst you'll get from them is a lick from the boxer (maybe a whack from his tail) and a sniff from my pug as you might have food!!! If you then tell me anything about how dogs are bad, evil, disgusting creatures etc you'd better run (it wont be hard as I am overweight and can't run quick) because I'll deliver something a whole lot worse.

Have a nice dog free life bigots.

 

[CalumFerguson]

Actually, I've lived in HK twice  - once in DB and  once in Tung Chung, so Pret, sod off.

All talk eh? You dont know me, other than to see I am angry, so bloody angry. As I stated, these dogs are part of my family, and I will defend them with every breath in my body.
 
I agree that there are a number of owners here that are incredibly bad - the lady who lets her untrained golden retriever off the lead which has no training for instance.

I am just so angry and frustrated to the point of tears at the looks and complete "i'm better than you" attitude that is demonstrated here.

In this age, I would suggest that there are a number of people who would come well after my dogs at the moment - hamas and the israeli govt and armed forces - for a starter.

Perhaps I did not express myself clearly below - come and let me introduce you to my dogs - just dont tar me with the same brush as these bad owners until you have met me and my dogs.

I have a very short fuse and wrote this after being told to put a muzzle on a pug - a PUG? WTF??? YOU CANNOT DO THAT

[CalumFerguson]

oh and pret - dont worry poor didums widdle head - i'm moving back to a tolerant society in aus where people are friendly, dont rush for lifts, shut doors in your face, and are generally rude.

:-)

[Muttley]

Persecuting "undesirables" to migrate to Australia has a familiar ring to it. Wasn't that how the great nation got started?

Only joking Calum but loosen up a bit. Both sides of this argument have it's hard line loonies as you will see from this forum. A bigot whichever side they adopt isn't worth getting upset about.

Sorry to hear you are leaving but best of luck. At least the "kids" will have a happier life with more space to run around and no muzzles.

Interesting to hear pet friendly Oz registers dogs?

500 dogs? Doesn't sound that many to me. One or two per household means that Dog owners must be a very small percentage of the total CC population?

[CalumFerguson]

as a kiwi calling oz a great nation is a bit much for me :-) Oz and NZ both have registration for animals -  which is a good thing. Every council has its own rules, such as limiting the number of animals at a home (for space and well being of animals and people alike - but you can have as many children as you like - go figure!!). Registration is cheap - $10 --> $30 per desexed and microchipped dog. This pays for parks to be opened to animals, and for the dog ranger (another valuable service).

No muzzles for the boxer will be a relief - he looks so sad with one on!!!

I just get worked up with what i see as an open attack on all dog owners by many people - its basically discrimination ...

[ilovecc]

Wow! Calum, as a responsible dog owner myself - let me start by saying good luck with your move to Australia - we certainly don't need you to represent "responsible dog owners" - and believe me i care for my dog as much as you do.

There are definately some errant owners here, just as there are some errant parents here. I'm all for registering pets, and perhaps to have a cap per household if it can be legally enforced - such as 2 big dogs or 3 small dogs per apartment (don't flame me!) - so that it will help us to identify and penalize those owners who are unfit to have a pet in their lives.

Pret - you have to stop with the "must have a garden" in order to have a dog stuff. Yes i think it's highly inappropriate to have 3 huskies in a 700sq.ft. apartment, but are you telling my i'm doing an injustice to my rescued terrier cross dog by giving it a loving home - sans garden??? Please.

[CalumFerguson]

wow -  i am shocked at some of the responses here - yes, i was angry when I wrote the stuff, and i admit that i have failings - not least of which is a short temper. But to describe me as a bully??? Oh dear.

If i have offended people that badly, then I apologise. If you read what I said - and I will repeat it here - I am just incredibly frustrated. I know there are bad owners here, and i don't consider myself to be one of them. I did not say that I am a perfect person who has no faults - in fact I have many! Given I have lived in a number of different places around the world and I would wager have a better understanding of cultural differences than yourself.

If people are around, our dogs are always restrained. We take our muzzle of in the park yes - i thought that was allowed? We have started taking the dogs down beside the rail track as its safe for all parties concerned.

Pret - I am certainly not a thug or a bully. I did research before coming to tung chung, and up until probably 2-3 weeks ago, its been fine here. But, there has been a very obvious and visible change recently from the management in regards to animals, which must have been prompted by complaints.

As for needing a house - i don't disagree/agree in either respect. For a small dog (pug) its not really an issue - for the boxer, it would be nice yes. The dogs get into a routine very quickly, and don't fuss or complain as long as they get plenty of  love and affection. Add to that  I don't have nearly enough money to buy a house in HK!!!

Poppet - Childrens play area? Is that the area behind the pool near the construction? If so, yes I do walk them around there. If there are children or anyone there, we go along the footpath. We do our best to avoid causing people undue stress. I know many people in HK are scared of dogs, and I try my upmost to ensure that when I people, I take the dogs away from them. For an example, when walking along the any footpath, if I see a runner/cyclist, I pull my dogs to one side, and get the boxer to sit. This is to ensure that the runners/cyclists are as comfortable as possible. More often than not, I get a thank you from these people.

I actually agree with the majority here - dogs *should* be registered. I also agree there should be a limit on the number of animals in CC, and on those allowed in apartments. I believe this because it is best for both animal and people alike.

I am sorry for any offence that I have caused. From my rant on here, I can see why Pret/Poppet my consider me a thug/bully, and I have not expressed myself very clearly. I am man enough to admit my failings and own up to them.

[kent]

Pret - I am certainly not a thug or a bully. I did research before coming to tung chung, and up until probably 2-3 weeks ago, its been fine here. But, there has been a very obvious and visible change recently from the management in regards to animals, which must have been prompted by complaints.

As for needing a house - i don't disagree/agree in either respect. For a small dog (pug) its not really an issue - for the boxer, it would be nice yes. The dogs get into a routine very quickly, and don't fuss or complain as long as they get plenty of  love and affection. Add to that  I don't have nearly enough money to buy a house in HK!!!

Poppet - Childrens play area? Is that the area behind the pool near the construction? If so, yes I do walk them around there. If there are children or anyone there, we go along the footpath. We do our best to avoid causing people undue stress. I know many people in HK are scared of dogs, and I try my upmost to ensure that when I people, I take the dogs away from them. For an example, when walking along the any footpath, if I see a runner/cyclist, I pull my dogs to one side, and get the boxer to sit. This is to ensure that the runners/cyclists are as comfortable as possible. More often than not, I get a thank you from these people.

I actually agree with the majority here - dogs *should* be registered. I also agree there should be a limit on the number of animals in CC, and on those allowed in apartments. I believe this because it is best for both animal and people alike.

I am sorry for any offence that I have caused. From my rant on here, I can see why Pret/Poppet my consider me a thug/bully, and I have not expressed myself very clearly. I am man enough to admit my failings and own up to them.

CF, you are another good example of a mindful pet owner who has been trying to be respectful to others.  It sounds like you are aware of yourself but they system (due to the pressures of some anti-pet people) is beginning to push you to the edge and therefore you ended up showing it on this forum.

It sounds like your point of frustration comes from the fact that there is no such muzzle that you can purchase for your pug. (For those who don't know, a pug doesn't have a snout). 

As Poppet is often a ranter, herself, she should remember that I have posted before that ranting is not always the most coherent way to communicate, but it is acceptable. 

I had foreseen this scenario many months ago.  The auditing and measures being placed on those who are mindful of others, trying to live in peace and over 90% compliant is really an insult. 

Being emotional is what makes us human and often drives passion (something that is lacking in the world).  Pushing out the good mindful ppl doesn't make CC a better place to live.  After reading your post CF, I can imagine why you might be angry... the muzzle on a pug is just ridiculous cuz it doesn't exist.   You feel like you are doomed to be judged a criminal for owning a pug with no solution (where isn't a need for a solution, anyway). 

Don't have any words or ideas on how to console you, but know that I feel your pain.   

[CalumFerguson]

actually in regards to carrying the dog, its actually quite dangerous - esp as the dogs get older. We had a vet explain to us a while ago that dogs like pugs anyway (large chest area) should not a) jump off anything high (couch, bed etc) and b) we must be very careful when carrying them as if they are picked up incorrectly, it can actually result in injury (ribs). I carry my dog when I think he might need to go to the toilet avoid him taking a dump  on the tiled areas (our dogs are trained to only wee in grass areas). As a result, I try not to pick my dog up - its something that most people don't understand or know about (i only found out when at the vet after the pug was bitten and nearly degloved). When on the walkways (in the estate) the pug is on a short lead unless there are no people about.

If the dog is on a lead (short) and controlled, I don't see why it should be necessary to carry them. The dogs never go near people unless invited - its something we learned at dog training. It applies to dogs and people alike - you don't let a dog go to a person or another animal unless invited. Even then, the dog should be on a tight lead so that the dog can be pulled  back very quickly.

I know the following will probably invoke the wrath of a number of people (what more!!!!  ) but, i would wager a whole $1HKD (i'm very cheap) that our dogs are under better control on the walkway and footpaths than a number of children I see every day, and less likely to cause incident!

But enough of that ... i need to concentrate on the cricket.

(for an example of how NOT to carry a dog, see the maids carrying the small dogs under one arm)

[Muttley]

as a kiwi calling oz a great nation is a bit much for me :-) ..

I think you may offend him further by calling him an Aussie

[Coco]

We had a vet explain to us a while ago that dogs like pugs anyway (large chest area) should not a) jump off anything high (couch, bed etc) and b) we must be very careful when carrying them as if they are picked up incorrectly, it can actually result in injury (ribs).

interesting, never know about the jumping might hurt them. thanks in sharing w/us