shuttle bus for ph 3 & 4

[prisms]

Finally they are considering having a bus for Ph 3 & 4. But what I cannot understand is why they need big busses for all three phases when small busses are doing very well for phase 1.

[JEFF LAM YUET]

Finally they are considering having a bus for Ph 3 & 4. But what I cannot understand is why they need big busses for all three phases when small busses are doing very well for phase 1.

totally agree with you!

And big buses generate more noise and air pollution, also use up more oil which will be reflected in the tender price. Also the route is longer compared to bus 1 and 2 so small buses can drive home quicker.

We don't have extra residents except the 56 houses, but change from 5 big buses+3 small buses to 9 BIG BUSES created an extra 130 seats, this is a waste when we are not even using 100% existing seats now...................

I personally support to look after the whole estate by having another route but HOW to setup the service smartly is MTR's weakness. And their current plan is just a silly way to spend more of our $. Thx to those "smart" guys to give MTR such a plan, and thx to MTR to only listen to "them" and give us one option, while many other plans from PH I, III OCs are igorned. Why do they always only listen to those helping them to spend more of our $ "smartly". >_<

[garyhk]

Why on Earth are they trying to increase the costs?

Madness.

[JEFF LAM YUET]

Ask the MTR friends of those who suggested this silly plan and immediately promoted by MTR. Whatever costs more will be accepted by MO then their fans will come out to get PROXY + SEDUCE people.......................

[charles]

I'm sorry - the route is longer than bus 1 & 2? you mean the length of the swimming pool?

[bethechange]

I'm going to read the notice again.  I thought there was not an additional cost because they were reducing expense elsewhere in the bus contract. 

I agree we could probably make due with the smaller buses especially since the current population would be spread among more buses.  I rarely see them filled, once in a great while in the morning when it is cold weather would be about it.

[garyhk]

There is a complete extravagance of bus services here already.  During non peak times, especially, the timetable should be halved at least.  FIXED times posted say every 20 minutes with ONE bus from Phase 1, calling at Phase 2 where phases 3 and 4 could also join.  Some imagination to REDUCE costs not forever increase costs is needed.  It isn't that complicated it is just a mindset problem.  Such a move or something similar would reduce costs, be environmental and be the right thing to do.

[Poppet]

Agree we need to reduce frequency during non peak times but as i am from phase 4 and having been paying for the buses that are not practical for me to use i very much think there should be a phase 4 bus. It's a long walk in the summer heat from the bus to tower 16 and if phase 1 has the need for a bus then so does phase 4.

[prisms]

Exactment! we waited for so long to have this bus in ph3&4 while all the while paying management fee like others. But it sounds all negative (cost, road congestion, extra time for loading/unloading, empty seats etc etc) to have big busses in this route, for that matter all the routes. It is simple - have three small busses with reduced intervals for all four phases. At the least it costs less than three big busses.

[marco]

I totally agree to reduce the frequence of bus services. We may also set up a round ribbon bus schedule during non peak hours, say:
     time slot 0 : bus to phase 1
     time slot 1 : bus to phase 2
     time slot 2 : bus to phase 3,4
     time slot 3 : bus to phase 1
     time slot 4 : bus to phase 2
     time slot 5 : bus to phase 3,4
     time slot 6 : bus to phase 1
     ........

     By using this method, we only need one bus provided that the time slot is long enough for a round-trip traveling.
     ie.  ph1 --->MTR ---> ph2 ---> MTR ----> ph3&4 ---> MTR ---> ph1 .....
     

[Chejai]

Alternatively you could have the Phase 2 bus drop people off at Phase 3/4 first, then back to Phase 2 for final drop off / standby / pick-up then back to Phase 3/4 before off to the MTR to start again. 

Ideally the whole issue of fuel consumption and whether to have bigger buses or not could be dropped if whoever wins the next tender puts forward an optoin to provide either natural gas (NG) or liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) buses .  Something most other "world city's" are doing.

[garyhk]

OK, we have the beginnings of a solution, so what's next?

How to get it implemented?

[Poppet]

If it stops at phase 2 first people at phase 3/4 may have trouble getting on especially during peak times or if the  frequency is reduced making buses fuller so i believe if needs to be a separate service on a first come first served as with phase 1 and 2. Plus there is no reason that phase 1 and 2 should have a more frequent service than phase 3/4 we pay the same management fees.

[JEFF LAM YUET]

nobody has the right to determine if the bus is serving ph 123 or 4 solely and this assumption is very dengerous for our estate as one community, while we may also take bus 1 to clubhouse while ph 134 and future 5 may also take bus 2 to 7-11 or dinner in the mall. It is the best to decide if the current resource or future affordable resource allows us to have 9 buses, if yes, then shall we determine the number of bus serving stop 12 or 3 based on population or actual use potential, etc. or shall we focus on service quality instead of number of buses? I highly appreciate ph 1 and 3 OC members had a very detailed presentation in the bus meeting last night that is even superior than what MO provided us, also Ph 3 OC did a survey to consult residents living in tower 9-12. However, the way some people in our community, including the ph 6 chairman and their friends in ph 24, they only count the costs each phases pay or share then simply compare to other phases, they talk to residents in certain phases by their own way of miscounting results saying that ph 4 is paying for ph 1, this sort of misleading message only divide us as a whole estate. When residents are divdied, MTR will be very happy cos we cannot work together to fight for our own rights. To gain support in the estate, we should work for CC as a whole but not divide residents and create conflict among different phases. Since I live in ph 3 but also go to clubhouse by bus 1, or Circle K shop at phase 4, vice versa that others may go to 7-11 at phase 2 or the fastfood chains, I guess many of you also do the same, so there is no point to argue about whether we should have more buses here or there, or we pay little bit more here and there, cos it is hard to really measure,instead, we should set requirement to the contractor that they must offer us the bus service every 6,8,10 or 12 minutes per bus, or during the late night and non-peak hour, can we have the bus that one bus can stop at all stops 123, while there are at least 2 or 3 buses at services during that time so if one breaks down we still have 66.6% at our services. No any single idea can 100% satisfy everyone but non-peak hour residents generally speaking are less in rush, this option can dramatically reduce the costs from 9 buses to 3 buses while we can still enjoy good service. This is time for us to be united, speak on the same channal for residents' right, boycott the dividing activities in our community by poor guys with bad goals, invole more in meeting and EGM to support the good guys and good plans, if we all can do this, we will have better management, less bad argument, and lower management fee, which already happened in seaview crecent next door. I hope to bring the same result to CC too, with your support. Thanks.

[charles]

were the users not going to pay? any way this is done, it will cost everybody money. if 1.5 or 2$ is charged per ride maybe some people will take a walk more often - healthier for everybody and it doesn't take much longer!
Currently used buses are not friendly to the residents anyway - ever tried to get on it with a stroller or some shopping?