pesticides

[julieannpe]

Please can we stop the excessive spraying of pesticides in the area of CC and the out skirts?
Not only are we and our children exposed to the poison they insist on spraying to enhance the flora or kill the mosquitos.
Although it is important to maintain a mosquito free environment, with this amount of water. pools and ponds, spraying pesticides hardly helps to such a complete degree.
Recently My poor dogs were suffering from the poisioning, luckily it was able to be left untreated although it was two days of vomitting blood and runny poo.
I suspect the recent sudden deaths of two dogs I know may have a connection!
Why can the management and government was green alternatives???
Plant flowers and herbs that repel mosquitos.
Use natural pesticides.
is it so hard???

[CCCL]

Sorry for your dogs. I did not even know they sprayed insecticides anywhere in HK - if they are, it's not having much effect.

[garyhk]

Yes you are right...  Did you go to the MO to complain?

[julieannpe]

Not yet gary
But seems to me they won't do anything without actual proof and I am not prepared to expose my dogs to it to show them.
The recent dogggie that passed it is suspected he ingested poison in the Pet Garden, which of course is not CC but government property.
However, the MO do put signs up to warn us they are to spray, but they do not use products that are not harmful.
The government do sign and say they are laying rat bait but they only put the red tape before spraying and then take it down a hour after.
We all know dogs love to eat grass, not much you can do unless you walk them in areas where there is no grass, but the joy of CC is Bermuda park which is even liseted by SPCA in their magazine this month as a suggested doggie day out!
the other thing that is done daily here and after every rain fall.
the housekeeping dept, spray the steps with amonia/bleach to rid the smell of pet urine.
then hose the steps twice a day with water, thus mixing with the daily spray of poisons.
then we walk our dogs through the water.
I have noticed a few dogs here in CC with sore pads on their feet!
got to be a connection.

[CCCL]

We all know dogs love to eat grass, not much you can do unless you walk them in areas where there is no grass, but the joy of CC is Bermuda park which is even liseted by SPCA in their magazine this month as a suggested doggie day out!

You lost me here. It would be nice if humans could share the joy of Bermuda park but sadly it has been turned into a big open air dog toilet. How nice of the SPCA to encourage people to bring their dogs to further foul our park.

the other thing that is done daily here and after every rain fall.
the housekeeping dept, spray the steps with amonia/bleach to rid the smell of pet urine.
then hose the steps twice a day with water, thus mixing with the daily spray of poisons.
then we walk our dogs through the water.
I have noticed a few dogs here in CC with sore pads on their feet!
got to be a connection.

You are immune to irony, aren't you? Did you ever consider that it wouldn't be necessary for the cleaning staff to employ such measures if dog owners were more responsible? Perhaps you should wheel your pets around in a pram, as so many do in CC, until you get them to a safe place - presumably Bermuda park....

[charles]

the housekeeping dept, spray the steps with amonia/bleach to rid the smell of pet urine.

 

[julieannpe]

The park and all areas are sprayed with poison, harmful to dogs and people.
I think that dogs peeing on the steps is horrible and as I have female dogs and dont allow them to pee on the pavement and bother to take them to the urinal .
If you want to know who I am I am a British lady late forties with two english cocker spaniels my name is Julie and I challenge anyone to prove that I never  pick up my dogs mess or that I allow them to pee anywhere but the urinal.
I do not hide behind fake name or just using my initials to make a point.
Of course the steps need to be cleaned but why chemicals?
There are many parks and flats in Hong Kong where dogs are not aloud I would say 80% of areas dont allow pets, so don't move to Caribbean coast if you dont like animals.
If I had written as a non pet owner but a mother with a baby complaining about poison in the park or on the steps, I am sure the response would not be so cold.
Why are animals treated so badly by people.
Bermuda park is the only park allowing dogs.
Across the road you have your own parks and areas for kids to play, why are you so pissed about a little bit of grass area??
Not like you have to travel to get to somewhere is it.
Grow up
Admit that using chemicals around animals or people for whatever reason is not right.
Move to a dog free flat is my advise not like it would be hard in Hong Kong
There are many cheaper and more safer ways to repel mosquitos.
for the health of everyone

[garyhk]

Julie,

Don't rise to the bait.

You can never win the argument even being as reasonable and socially responsible as you are.  Sadly, there are many irresponsible dog handlers out there; I say handlers because a lot of the helpers who lead the dogs around have no sense of what they are doing from a normal owners perspective (you can't really blame, after all for them its just a job most of the time so they don't seem to care as much); owners who outsource their pet duties to others are just as bad.  It's a kind of collective blindness allowing owners to be not involved and therefore not to be blamed.

Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that all helpers are irresponsible, some are responsible BUT so many are not and so many owners do not act responsibly either.

You are correct to observe that CC is known for allowing dogs and so people ought not to be surprised about the consequences of having a higher proportion of dogs around.

The best way to co-exist here is to just do your thing as you are and avoid the obvious urinal areas which are disgusting without any doubt.  Hopefully one day someone will rub the noses of the offenders in the urine (I do not mean the dogs obviously).  Perhaps we can get Jeff on to it.

In my humble opinion, there is ample space here for everyone; there is certainly enough grass and play areas for the toddlers and a lot of space for people to walk their dogs and not get in the face of other residents.  People just need to care a bit more about one another.

You may consider to call the SPCA if they list that garden and it has the problems you have suggested; that may be a better way of dealing with the chemicals.  Just trying to help.

If I see you around I will say hello...

[julieannpe]

Hi Gary
Will say hello of course!

I know what you mean about rising to the bait, whenever dogs are mentioned in any forum it causes the dog haters among us to raise their heads.
Irony, the only irony here is in a community where dogs are allowed and with a so called Pet garden for said use of exercising our pets should have poisons sprayed!
I did PM Jeff  but he has not answered me.
I also have to walk my dogs down the steps and repeat '' potty'', so that they do not pee on top of already stained steps
And it is not always helpers, most that I meet and chat to are very good at picking up mess.
Actually yesterday a lovely lady was chatting to me and my dogs and one of my doggies did a poo  and when I went to collect said poo, she said there was not need as it was on the grass, and she was not a helper!
Remember dear folks... it is we that share this Earth with the animals and they have as much right to be here. It is us humans that domesticated the dog!
The point is in any community posions should not be used.
We should all work to keep this planet of ours healthy and safe for all.
There is nothing wrong with planting beautiful plants and herbs that smell wonderful and repel bugs and invite butterflies.
Nothing wrong with using vinegar instead of bleach.
Please! respect to the animal kingdom and human race
Trouble is posion is cheap I guess

[JEFF LAM YUET]

checked the case, will provide more information soon. Thanks.

[bethechange]

I am here without a pet and enjoy saying hello to many a doggie when I am out and about.  I don't doubt poisons are used since I rarely get bit here in CC but in Discovery Bay or Mui Wo we are attacked.  If poisons are used it should be posted.

I think there is a safe balance for all involved.  I do wish management was more assertive with the bad habits of both pet and child handlers.  I often walk in the evening and notice many a helper out back chatting away on their phone instead of walking the pet or too caught up in their conversation to even notice when the animal has fouled the area.  It is the responsibility of the owner and Julie we are lucky that you are responsible, we could use more like you.  I think management did hold some community information events and there is a pet club that meets at the clubhouse.  Getting them involved might also help.